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Lee Clagett (vtnerd): Broadcast Transactions over Tor Hidden[...]


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Add support to Monero daemon for broadcasting new transactions received over RPC to privacy preserving p2p connections to conceal origin IP. This proposal will use Tor hidden services, but the implementation will be written such that additional anonymity networks (Kovri?) can be added in the future.

Hidden Service Rationale

Tor can be used today via exit nodes. The issue is the potential for MitM attacks on the data, and blacklisting of the exiting nodes (to help facilitate surrounding node attacks). The recommendation is to use hidden service nodes, like Bitcoin. Users can already force traffic to Tor exit nodes through other techniques.


Lee Clagett (vtnerd) will be the sole implementer. I have experience contributing code to the Monero daemon, contributing to wallet implementions (simplewallet, mymonero), and vast protocol experience. I am also familiar with some of the literature on privacy networks (this should be obvious in the proposal section).


Sending transactions can be traced to their origin by ISPs, or other institutions that connect to many peers to trace the first appearance of a transaction. An entire project, Kovri, has been funded to help mitigate this issue. There are things to implement on the Monero side to make use of an anonymity network as well which will be completed with the Tor integration.

Proposal / Milestones

The proposed rate is 50 USD/hour @ 100 XMR/USD for a total of 142 XMR. The proposal will be implemented in three stages:

Milestone 1 - Socks v4a

Provide a sock 4a client implementation. A standard library is less desirable - Tor has some extensions for DNS lookup that will be useful in the future. The delivery for this milestone will not be the ability to force all connections to a specific proxy (that is possibly left for a future FFS). The added functionality of this milestone:

  • Socks v4a client with Tor extensions.
  • Command line switch --anonymizing-proxy tor,ip:port which is only used for outbound Tor addresses.
  • Any --add-peer in onion address format will only be used by the --anonymizing-proxy connection.
  • --add-exclusive-node will work with onion addresses. Users could create a private testnet over Tor or a private mixed testnet.
  • Command line switch --anonymous-inbound tor,ip:port which should only be used by advanced users. This unique ip/port will let the Monero daemon know what connections are coming in from a Tor hidden service setup.
  • Connections into --anonymous-inbound will have a restricted command set that can be expanded in the future. Most likely only control commands and broadcast transaction. Preventing spamming over Tor is a bit harder since public keys are cheaper to create than IP addresses.
  • Network isolation, so that peerlist sharing is only done within the same network type. IPv4/IPv6 peerlists are never shared over Tor and vice-versa. Any future anonymity networks (Kovri) will be isolated from all other networks too. In other words, peerlists through --anonymizing-proxy tor,... and --anonymous-inbound tor,... will be considered isolated from the others.

After milestone 1, users can test broadcasting over Tor by creating a Tor hidden service manually. It is not recommending at this stage on livenet, because timing analysis is a real threat with Monero transaction volume. Expected time: 120 hours (60 XMR).

Milestone 2 - Timing Analysis Mitigations

A well-known weakness of Tor is the lack of delay in data transmits. This has the side effect of leaking the timing of data transmits through the Tor network, and sometimes the size of a message being sent (if the link is often idle). This timing issue can result in the leaking of transaction origin purely by watching the timing and volume of traffic being sent over Tor. This is particularly problematic with Monero having a lower transaction volume than Bitcoin. This milestone will implement the following:

  • "Whitening" of p2p connections through anonymity networks. Try to make data send in constant fixed chunked intervals. This will likely slow-down sending of transactions, but greatly increase privacy. A heavy amount of research will be required - communication via socks connection makes it difficult to control rate.
  • Broadcast new transactions over anonymity networks first:
    1. If Monero daemon has at least one p2p connection through an anonymity network:
      1. Send transaction to all p2p connections through anonymity networks. The send rate will not exceed the whitening of the connection.
      2. When transaction is received over non-privacy preserving connection, re-broadcast transaction to all other non-privacy preserving connections. Whitening prevents packet/size/timing analysis and not re-broadcasting over privacy leaks prevents leakage of source (through anonymity connection ... but still).
    2. If no p2p connections through anonymity networks, broadcast to all p2p connections as usual.
  • A transaction will not appear in mempool RPC calls until the node receives the transaction over the IP network. This will prevent leaks for users that connect to public nodes (there is no guarantee that the public nodes honor this, obviously).
  • Transactions received over p2p links will be immediately forwarded to all p2p connections of the same "zone" (i.e. transaction first received over Tor is immediately sent to all Tor connections)
  • Transactions received over p2p links will be randomly delayed (0-30 seconds) before forwarding to other p2p connection zones.

After this milestone, people could use Tor to broadcast transactions safely. Expected Time: 160 hours (80 XMR). A considerable amount of time may be necessary for research, and not leaking transactions across these zones.

Milestone 3 - Tor Hidden Service Seed Nodes

I will have to work with the Monero core team to set this up. This will be similar to the hard-coded seed/bootstrap nodes used for connecting to the Monero network for this first time. These will most likely not be operated by me. This will allow --anonymizing-proxy to work without specifying a Tor --add-peer.

Expected time: 4 hours (2 XMR). Will need additional resources from the community to run the hidden service.


Setting up a Tor hidden service will require manual configuration of Tor. A future FFS proposal can implement the Tor control connection protocol (like with Bitcoin). Additionally, this proposal will not provide support for completely hiding the usage of a Monero daemon, because that requires significant additional work to never make a connection outside of Tor.

Replies: 7
anonimal posted 3 months ago Weight: 310 | Link [ - ]

As posted to #monero-dev at ~22:30 UTC, 2018-11-14:

anonimal       I offered to do this for *free* several years ago but was repeatedly shot down because "oh no, we can't have a SOCKS proxy".
anonimal       Hey fluffypony, we had to hear "we don't use Tor because of X and Y" for years, repeatedly, and for good technical reason.
anonimal       But now flip-flopping and subsequent will-bending to market pressure, gotta make those shekels:
anonimal       The saddest and most absurd thing is that the people trying to drive this into Monero don't even realize that the proposal isn't Tor-specific (trivial "tor extensions" to the proxy aren't even enough to warrant mentioning).
anonimal       Monero literally could've been using Kovri for years now by doing the *same exact thing*, as we have SOCKS 4/5 support.
anonimal       vtnerd, your proposal would have easily included kovri (literally, s/tor/kovri/ produces same results). Are you being paid to deny kovri collaboration?
anonimal       vtnerd the 2nd milestone also looks like a waste of time. You won't solve timing attacks by constant padding at the application level.
anonimal       Eve can easily throttle DPI'd traffic between Alice and Bob to discern endpoints (or even Charlie to Dave to discern Alice and Bob's HS request because of how descriptors are fetched in Tor (this hasn't changed, not even in V3)).
anonimal       In addition, stream-based re-transmissions will have predictable timing because you are depending on a **streaming circuit** built by 3rd party fucking relays (PROTIP: look at "OVH SAS" and their domination of your Tor circuits. See also the Atlas).
anonimal       To actually come close to mitigating the timing issue you'd need an actual network layer Poisson mix strategy that's akin to something like Katzenpost, but that's a whole other beast.
anonimal       The 3rd milestone shows that my warnings were not heeded in #monero-dev months ago: generating N "trusted" destination keypairs for seed nodes is centralized, dumb, and unnecessary. I even offered potential solutions.
anonimal       Trusted seed nodes is Ric's modus operandi, so I imagine you're just following orders here, but that shouldn't limit development or research in this area. 
anonimal       vtnerd I also think that your 100% lack of collaborative communication means you're either trying to hide something or are simply serving the interest of MyMonero instead of the community at large. 
anonimal       I'll paste this message into the FFS.

These are off-the-cuff responses because anonymity is a big study and timing attacks are somewhat well-researched compared to other areas of anonymity. It's a shame that you've had zero communication or collaboration on the subject with me or anyone else in actively developing anonymous networks (or even Kovri for that matter, minus one PR review from a long time ago).

binaryFate posted 3 months ago Weight: 276 | Link [ - ]

+10 XMR on behalf of

anhdres posted 3 months ago Weight: 272 | Link [ - ]

This looks like the missing piece of the puzzle, and for what I understand, even brings Kovri closer to reality. I'd support this.

vtnerd posted 3 months ago Weight: 272 | Link [ - ]

Updated with an exchange rate of 100 XMR/USD.

antw081 posted 3 months ago Weight: 270 | Link [ - ]

I would help support this FFS.

rehrar posted 3 months ago Weight: 270 | Link [ - ]

Dude, let's make this a thing. It only adds to the privacy of Monero.

nioc posted 3 months ago Weight: 267 | Link [ - ]

vtnerd has proven his abilities and I do not doubt that he will be able to deliver what he has described.